WASHINGTON – The House committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol plans to chronicle at its Thursday hearing all that was happening in Congress and at the White House during the 187 minutes between then-President Donald Trump’s fiery speech and his video encouraging the mob to go home.
Committee members have argued that Trump’s lack of response was a dereliction of duty under the Constitution to protect Congress.
- Watching Fox News: The in-person and videotaped testimony detailed what President Trump was doing during the height of the Jan. 6 violence, and witnesses said he was mostly watching cable news, specifically Fox New, for more than two and half hours.
- Thompson by remote: Democratic Rep. Bennie Thompson, of Mississippi, who is the chairman of the committee, is attending Thursday’s hearing remotely after testing positive for Covid-19 this week.
- Witnesses back up Hutchinson: Two witnesses on Thursday supported previous testimony from Cassidy Hutchinson, a former White House aide, who said during a previous hearing how Trump demanded to be taken to the Capitol with protesters. One national security aide, who was kept anonymous by the panel, said if the former president had been allowed join the rioters it would have turned into a “insurrection, coup”
- Taking the lead: The primetime hearing is being led by two lawmakers who are military veterans — Democrat Elaine Luria, of Virginia, and Republican Adam Kinzinger, of Illinois.
Live timeline of Trump’s actions during the Capitol attack:On Jan. 6, Trump was out of public view as aides urged him to act. A breakdown of those 187 minutes.
Secret Service called to say goodbye to family members
As rioters breached the Capitol, at one point getting 40 feet away from former Vice President Mike Pence, his Secret Service detail feared for their lives and told security to say goodbye to their families, an anonymous White House security member testified.
“There were calls to say goodbye to family members, so on and so forth. For whatever the reason was on the ground, the VP detail thought that this was about to get very ugly,” the security official said.
Over the radio, the official heard the vice president’s detail screaming, calling it “chaos,” and were concerned they would have to use “lethal options” to protect Pence.
– Katherine Swartz
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Secret Service agents “feared for their lives”
An anonymous White House Security Official told the Jan. 6 Committee in an interview that Vice President Pence’s Secret Service detail “started to fear for their own lives” as they organized an evacuation route for Pence while rioters were in the Capitol.
“At that point it was just reassurances,” the official said of the Secret Service radio chatter. “I think there were discussions of reinforcements coming but again, it was just chaos.”
The situation started to look so dire, Secret Service “became very close to either sort of having to use lethal options or worse,” according to the official.
— Kenneth Tran
Cipollone: Trump could have gone to the press briefing room at any moment to make a statement
Both former White House counsel Pat Cipollone and former Trump communications aide Sarah Matthews testified the former president could have gone to the press briefing room at any moment to make a statement that encouraged an end to the Capitol attack.
It would have taken about 60 seconds for Trump to walk from the White House Dining Room, where he was watching the insurrection live on Fox News, to the press briefing room to deliver a televised address to the nation, Matthews said.
He “could’ve been on camera almost instantly” to condemn the violence at the Capitol, she said.
The White House press corps could have probably been assembled “in a matter of minutes,” Matthews said.
“Although President Trump was aware of the ongoing rioting, he did not take any immediate action to address the lawlessness,” Rep. Elaine Luria said.
Instead, the former president called his personal counsel Rudy Giuliani for a second time during the riot. That call lasted 8 minutes, she said.
-Candy Woodall
Meadows told Cipollone people were trying to protect Pence
Former White House Counsel Pat Cipollone said the chants to hang the vice president were “outrageous” and that he raised his concerns with Chief of Staff Mark Meadows on Jan. 6, 2021.
“The nature of his response, without recalling exactly, was that he, you know, people were doing all they could,” Cipollone said in his interview. The interviewer then asked if Meadows indicated that the president “was doing all that he could to protect the vice president.”
Cipollone went silent for a few seconds before his lawyer instructed him that the information could not be disclosed under attorney-client privilege.
— Erin Mansfield
Cipollone told Trump ‘forceful’ message needed to tell people to go home
Pat Cipollone, Trump’s White House Counsel, said he told the former president in a “forceful” manner to urge Jan. 6 rioters to go home.
“I think I was pretty clear there needs to be an immediate and forceful response, statement, public statement, that people need to leave the Capitol now,” Cipollone said during testimonial video.
Cipollone said he told the president this message “almost immediately after I found out people were getting into the Capitol or approaching the Capitol in a way that was violent.”
He also said that many people, including former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, suggested Trump call off the rioters.
“Many people suggested it and not just me. Many people felt the same way,” Cipollone said.
— Mabinty Quarshie
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Trump ignored pleases to make ‘strong statement’ condemning attack
Former White House attorney Pat Cipollone said multiple advisers and family members of Trump advised the former president to make a “strong statement” condemning the attack but that he ignored their pleas.
“Many people suggested it,” he said. “Not just me. Many people felt the same way.”
He added: “White House Counsel’s Office wanted there to be a strong statement out to condemn the rioters’ violence. I’m confident that Ivanka Trump wanted him to give a strong statement to condemn the rioters.”
— Joey Garrison
Two witnesses confirm heated discussion in Trump’s motorcade during Jan. 6 riot
Two separate witnesses, including a protected witness, corroborated there was a heated discussion in Trump’s motorcade during the Jan. 6 riot.
“After seeing the initial violence at the Capitol on TV, the individual went to see Tony Ornato, the deputy chief of staff in his office,” said Rep. Elaine Luria, D-Va, of the witnesses testimony.
Also in the room was Bobby Engel, Trump’s lead Secret Service agent, according to the witness’ testimony.
“This employee told us that Mr. Ornato said that the president was quote, ‘irate’ when Mr. Engel refused to drive him to the Capitol,” Luria said. “Mr. Engel did not refute what Mr. Ornato said.”
Similarly. Sgt. Mark Robinson said Trump wanted to travel to the Capitol after he returned to the White House but the motorcade was placed on standby.
“We do know that while inside the limo the president was still adamant about going to the Capitol,” Robinson said. “However, the POTUS motorcade was placed on standby.”
— Mabinty Quarshie
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Secret Service agents have retained counsel, committee says
Rep. Elaine Luria, D-Va., said the Jan. 6 committee has subpoenaed further information from the Secret Service and that some agents who have been witnesses have retained legal counsel.
It comes as the Department of Homeland Security’s inspector general has launched a criminal investigation into the destruction of Secret Service text messages sought as part of investigations.
Bobby Engel, the former head of Trump’s Secret Service security detail, and Anthony Ornato, who served as Trump’s deputy chief of staff for operations, were named in prior testimony by former Trump aide Cassidy Hutchinson about an alleged outburst by Trump inside the presidential vehicle when he learned he would not be going to the Capitol on Jan. 6.
“The committee is also aware that certain Secret Service witnesses have now retained new private counsel,” Luria said. “We anticipate further testimony under oath and other new information in the coming weeks.”
— Joey Garrison
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Committee: Trump didn’t call law enforcement or the military about the insurrection
Luria and other committee members have listed a number of things Trump could have done during the Jan. 6 riot, but didn’t – including calling law enforcement or the military to ask them to help stop the mayhem.
Trump didn’t contact anybody “to offer assistance” or to “quell the attack,” Luria said.
Noting that Trump did not reach out to the National Guard, the FBI, the Pentagon, the Justice Department, or homeland security, Luria said: “He did not call to issue orders or call for assistance.”
During the hearing, the Jan. 6 committee tweeted out a statement on Trump’s inactivity during the riot.
“We have confirmed in numerous interviews with senior law enforcement and military leaders, VP Pence’s staff, and D.C. government officials: None of them heard from President Trump during the attack on the Capitol,” the committee statement said. “Trump did not call to issue orders or to offer assistance.”
— David Jackson
Trump spent close to three hours in dining room with Fox News playing
Former President Donald Trump spent more than two and a half hours in the presidential dining room sitting at the head of the table with the television tuned to Fox News, Rep. Elaine Luria, D-Va. said witnesses have told the committee.
During that time period from approximately 1:25 p.m. to about 4:00 p.m., official records at the White House do not document the former president’s actions, Luria said. The official call logs and the presidential diary do not contain entries from those times.
“There are also no photos of President between this critical period between 1:21 p.m. in the Oval Office and when he went outside to the Rose Garden” to record a message to the rioters, Luria said. The White House photographer wanted to take pictures for historical purposes but was not allowed, she said.
— Erin Mansfield
Trump called senators to stop the vote count during the riot
While in the White House dining room watching the Capitol being breached, former President Donald Trump called multiple senators, encouraging them to delay the certification of electoral votes.
The Jan. 6 Committee isn’t aware of which senators Trump called because the White House call logs are empty for hours during the insurrection, Rep. Rep. Elaine Luria, D-Va., said in the hearing.
Former White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany confirmed that Trump wanted a list of senators to call, but was not aware of who Trump called that afternoon.
– Katherine Swartz
Trump ‘didn’t want anything done’
As the Capitol attack unfolded, the Pentagon had a pending call with the White House to coordinate a response to the riot. Former Senior Advisor Eric Herschmann told former White House Counsel Pat Cipollone that Trump “didn’t want anything done.”
Cipollone ended up having to take the call from the Pentagon himself, he said in video played Thursday.
— Kenneth Tran
White House security “in a state of shock” long before Capitol was breached
A White House security official, who spoke anonymously to the Jan. 6 Committee out of fear of retribution, said security knew that the crowd gathered at Jan. 6 moved from being a “normal, democratic public event” into a security threat.
The security official said that White House security became concerned long before rioters breached the Capitol, as they were aware of multiple reports of weapons in the crowd at the Ellipse for former President Donald Trump’s rally.
“The President wanted to lead tens of thousands of people to the Capitol. I think that was enough grounds for us to be alarmed.”
– Katherine Swartz
Trump ‘chose not to act’ as violent rioters entered the Capitol
Rep. Adam Kinzinger, R-Ill., said Trump deliberately “chose not to act” as rioters breached the Capitol building because the mob was doing his bidding.
“Why did he not take immediate action in a time of crisis?” Kinzinger said. “Because President Trump’s plan for January 6 was to halt or delay Congress’ official proceedings to count the votes.”
When the mob of rioters entered the Capitol, both the House and Senate were evacuated, delaying the certification of the 2020 election, which Kinzinger said was Trump’s intent.
“The mob was accomplishing President Trump’s purpose. So of course he didn’t intervene,” said Kinzinger. “President Trump did not fail to act during the 187 minutes before leaving the Ellipse and telling the mob to go home. He chose not to act.”
— Kenneth Tran
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Luria: Trump did nothing about the insurrection for 187 minutes.
Rep. Elaine Luria, D-Va., stressed tonight’s main theme: Trump did nothing to object to the insurrection for 187 minutes.
This even though aides urged him to speak out.
“President Trump was being advised, by nearly everyone, to immediately instruct his supporters to leave the Capitol, disperse, and halt the violence,” Luria said.
He did not for more than three hours, she said.
— David Jackson
Trump ‘refused to defend our nation’
The committee said the former president refused the advice of his closest aides and family members on Jan. 6, 2021, who urged him to call off the violent mob at the Capitol.
Trump “refused to defend our nation,” Vice Chair Liz Cheney said.
Luria said “virtually everyone told President Trump to condemn the violence in clear and unmistakable terms,” but he chose not to because of his desire to stay in power.
Instead, Luria said the hearing will show, Trump “sat in his dining room and watched the attack on television.”
— Candy Woodall
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Cheney: ‘The dam has begun to break’
Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., was optimistic about the status of the committee’s investigation, signaling that the committee continues to get more information and get through barriers in the legal system that have stood in the way for the past several months.
“In the course of these hearings, we’ve received new evidence, and new witnesses have bravely stepped forward,” Cheney said. “Efforts to litigate and overcome immunity and executive privilege claims have been successful, and those continue. Doors have opened. New subpoenas have been issued, and the dam has begun to break.”
— Erin Mansfield
‘He could not be moved,’ committee chairman says of Trump as Jan. 6 attack unfolded
The committee’s chairman, Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., opened the hearing by saying that Trump “stopped for 187 minutes” as the attack on the U.S. Capitol happened, unable to be moved from his television to stop the riot he encouraged.
“This man of unbridled destructive energy could not be moved,” said Thompson, who was appearing by video as he recovers from COVID-19. “Not by his aides, not by his allies, not by the violent chants of rioters.”
Thompson said Trump even ignored the pleas of his own family, including his children Donald Trump Jr. and Ivanka Trump, to call off the mob.
“He could not be moved to rise from his dining room table and walk a few steps down the White House hallway press briefing room, where cameras were anxiously and desperately waiting to carry his message.”
— Joey Garrison
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Committee to hold more hearings in September
Committee Chair Bennie Thompson said there are more hearings to come in September.
“We will reconvene in September to continue laying out our findings to the American people,” he said.
The committee’s investigation ramped up in June, and the panel has continued to collect evidence to prompt the additional sessions.
Rep. Elaine Luria, who was one of the members to lead questioning Thursday night, told reporters earlier in the day that the committee’s investigation was ramping up in light of new evidence.
— Candy Woodall
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Gallery Group members, Capitol Police widows in room for hearing
Several members of the “gallery group” of lawmakers who were trapped in the House chamber are back in the Cannon Caucus room to watch tonight’s proceedings, including Reps. Veronica Escobar of Texas, Lizzie Fletcher of Texas, Sara Jacobs of California, Pramila Jayapal of Washington, Annie Kuster of New Hampshire and Melanie Stansbury of New Mexico.
Kuster said a group went to dinner before coming to the hearing tonight and that they plan on supporting each other during what is expected to be an emotional evening. Kuster said she hopes the public sees just how close rioters came to the members on Jan. 6.
The Capitol and DC police who have attended each hearing are back again tonight, in addition to Serena Liebengood, the widow of Capitol Police Officer Howie Liebengood, and Sandra Garza, the longtime partner of Brian Sicknick, who died after suffering two strokes after fighting off the mob.
– Dylan Wells
Watchdog launches criminal inquiry into deleted Secret Service text messages
WASHINGTON – The Department of Homeland Security’s inspector general has launched a criminal investigation into the destruction of Secret Service text messages sought as part of investigations into the Jan. 6, 2021 Capitol attack, an official with knowledge of the matter said Thursday.
A letter notifying the Secret Service of the probe was directed to Director James Murray Wednesday night, said the official who is not authorized to comment publicly on a pending investigation.
The existence of the criminal investigation was first disclosed by NBC News.
In a statement, the Secret Service acknowledged receipt of the inspector general’s letter.
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Melania Trump says ‘unaware’ the Jan. 6 attack was happening
Former first lady Melania Trump said she was “unaware” the Jan. 6, 2021 insurrection at the Capitol was happening because she was preoccupied with taking archival photos of White House renovations as part of her duties as first lady.
Trump gave her account in an interview Thursday with Fox News after her former chief of staff and onetime White House press secretary, Stephanie Grisham, released text messages last month showing the first lady not approving a drafted statement condemning the attack.
“On January 6, 2021, I was fulfilling one of my duties as First Lady of the United States of America, and accordingly, I was unaware of what was simultaneously transpiring at the U.S. Capitol Building,” Trump said in the interview.
Trump said, “I always condemn violence” and that if she had been informed she would have “immediately denounced the violence that occurred at the Capitol Building.” She added, “And while Ms. Grisham’s behavior is disappointing, it is not surprising or an isolated incident.”
— Joey Garrison
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Committee to show Trump’s ‘dereliction of duty’
Rep. Elaine Luria, a former Navy commander, said she and other members of the select House committee will “detail Donald J. Trump’s dereliction of duty” on Jan. 6, 2021.
In the 8 p.m. hearing tonight, the panel will zero in on the 187 minutes from the end of his “Stop the Steal” speech at 1:10 p.m. to his video message at 4:17 p.m., when he told the rioters ransacking the Capitol to go home.
She emphasized Thursday afternoon he also told the violent mob “he loved them.”
Luria compared him to a captain abandoning a ship and said Thursday’s hearing will show in graphic detail his actions and inaction during those crucial three hours.
— Candy Woodall
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Trump watched TV from White House dining room during attack, former aides say
Trump was glued to the television in the White House dining room as a pro-Trump mob stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, according to testimony previewed by Rep. Adam Kinzinger, R-Ill., one of the Jan. 6 committee’s members.
“To the best of my recollection, he was always in the dining room,” former Trump press secretary Kayleigh McEnany told the committee.
Kinzinger released a short video Thursday teasing evidence to come during the eighth hearing from the committee investigating the Jan. 6 Capitol attack. Committee members are expected to zero in on the 187 minutes between Trump’s speech that morning and his tweet for rioters to go home.
Keith Kellogg, Trump’s former national security advisor, and Molly Michael, former executive assistant to the president, both told the committee that Trump was watching television as the Capitol came under assault. Former White House attorney Pat Cipollone told the committee the violence from the attack was visible on the television as Trump watched.
– Joey Garrison
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Why look at these 187 minutes?
The committee will scrutinize events from 1:10 p.m. EDT, when Trump stopped speaking at his rally near the White House, until 4:17 p.m., when he posted a tweet with a video urging rioters to go home.
The committee pieced together testimony from more than 1,000 witnesses and 100,000 pages of documents. But gaps remain. For example, White House logs show no calls placed to or by Trump from 11:17 a.m. to 6:54 p.m. on Jan. 6.
“He was doing nothing to actually stop the riot,” a committee member, Rep. Elaine Luria, D-Va., told CNN’s “State of the Union” on Sunday. “We will go through pretty much minute by minute during that time frame, from the time he left the stage at the Ellipse, came back to the White House, and really sat in the White House, in the dining room, with his advisers urging him continuously to take action, to take more action.”
Who are Sarah Matthews and Matthew Pottinger, the witnesses expected to testify?
Two new witnesses expected to testify each resigned in the aftermath of the Jan. 6 attack, along with cabinet secretaries and a special envoy to Northern Ireland.
Sarah Matthews was a deputy press secretary and Matthew Pottinger, who was a deputy national security adviser. Both were disturbed by Trump’s tweet at 2:24 p.m. calling Vice President Mike Pence a coward. Pence had refused to single-handedly reject electoral votes for President Joe Biden, as Trump and his lawyers had urged.
“It was clear that it was escalating and escalating quickly,” Matthews said in a videotaped deposition played at the June 16 hearing. “The situation was already bad, and so it felt like he was pouring gasoline on the fire by tweeting that.”
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Bennie Thompson to lead hearing remotely. Adam Kinzinger, Elaine Luria to oversee evidence
The Jan. 6 committee chair, Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., will lead the hearing remotely after announcing Tuesday he was diagnosed with COVID-19. He said in a statement he was experiencing mild symptoms despite being fully vaccinated.
Reps. Adam Kinzinger, R-Ill., and Elaine Luria, D-Va., will oversee the presentation of evidence. Members of the nine-member committee have taken turns during the eight hearings in June and July leading the questioning of witnesses or introducing videotaped depositions and documentary evidence.
Political organizations go on attack on Trump before Jan. 6 hearing
Political action committees and public interest groups are preparing for tonight’s Jan. 6 hearing by releasing videos, reports, and statements seeking to promote their case against Donald Trump.
- The Lincoln Project, the organization created by Republicans to oppose Trump’s re-election campaign in 2020, released a video Thursday describing the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection as a Trump-directed effort to stay in power.
- Just Security, an online forum for national security, foreign policy, and human rights issues, released an update of its “Criminal Evidence Tracker,” summarizing testimony from previous hearings of the Jan. 6 committee. Said the report: “The House January 6th Select Committee hearings have presented powerful, compelling evidence that former President Donald Trump led a criminal conspiracy to steal the 2020 presidential election.”
– David Jackson
What was the Secret Service doing?
The committee subpoenaed Secret Service texts Friday for Jan. 5 and 6, 2021, but the service replied the texts were deleted in a routine swap of staffers’ phones.
Former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson testified she heard from Anthony Ornato, then-White House deputy chief of staff for operations, that Trump tried to grab the wheel of his vehicle and lunged for an officer while trying to join the mob at the Capitol. Secret Service officials said witnesses have volunteered to testify, to challenge aspects of the testimony.
“I was shocked to hear that they didn’t back up their data before they reset their iPhones. That’s crazy,” Rep. Zoe Lofgren, a member of the committee, told ABC’s “This Week” on Sunday. “But we need to get this information to get the full picture.”
Meanwhile, Steve Bannon is on trial for defying a Jan. 6 committee subpoena
The federal trial against Steve Bannon, a political strategist for Trump, began Monday. Bannon was charged with contempt after defying a House subpoena for documents and testimony. He faces 30 days in jail and a $100,000 fine on each of the two charges, if convicted.
The committee wants to ask Bannon about two calls he had with Trump on Jan. 5, 2021.
After the first call, Bannon said on his podcast, “All hell is going to break loose tomorrow.” The two spoke again for six minutes, but the contents of the call are unknown.
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Are more criminal charges possible?
The Justice Department has charged more than 850 people associated with the Capitol attack. But some lawmakers and advocacy groups have urged charges against people who financed and organized the attack, potentially including Trump. Rep. Elaine Luria, a member of the Jan. 6 committee, noted the president was “the only person in the Constitution whose duty is explicitly laid out to ensure that the laws are faithfully executed.”
“Well, I do think that there’s a much broader plot here. I think that’s pretty obvious,” said Rep. Zoe Lofgren, also a member of the committee. “I would not want to tell the attorney general how to conduct his investigations. But I will say this, they have subpoena power and they have a lot easier way to enforce their subpoenas than the Congress does.”
The committee simply gathers information, which it plans to pass along to the Justice Department, but the department must decide which charges to pursue. Attorney General Merrick Garland has said he would follow the facts and the law.
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What did the Jan. 6 committee cover in its first seven hearings on its findings?
During seven previous public hearings, the Jan. 6 committee sought to prove the former president oversaw and coordinated a plan to prevent the peaceful transfer of power.
The hearings covered:
